Curse

Chilly Ress · May 14, 2006, 10:08 PM // 22:08

I just have one thing to say:

WTF Anet? I still love you though....

Swinging Fists · May 14, 2006, 10:22 PM // 22:22

We all should just learn from our mistakes. I pre-ordered Factions, got it the first day it came out, etc... Then we realize the content / map access issues.

I may or may not buy Chapter 3, but one thing is for sure. I will NOT believe what ANet tells me about it. I will not buy Chapter 3 until reading feedback from these forums about it.

ANet, I don't mind you restricting content, whatever you choose to do. I do mind being misled and for that reason alone, you will have to wait and see if you will get my money because I have to wait and see if I can believe what you tell me about the game is true.

Thank you.

shadowfell · May 15, 2006, 12:56 AM // 00:56

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Originally Posted by Swinging Fists

I may or may not buy Chapter 3, but one thing is for sure. I will NOT believe what ANet tells me about it. I will not buy Chapter 3 until reading feedback from these forums about it.

Same here, At least what is said by the reliables, and not the fan-bots..

Textural · May 15, 2006, 12:58 AM // 00:58

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Originally Posted by Grais

This is the reason I quit playing GW. Tired of all the fanboiitis that constanly seems to surround this game, it all stems from the fact that theres no monthly fee, well I dont know one First Person Shooter, and lets be honest GW is a FPS with , Ive never heard of one that charges a monthly fee. It is not an RPG game, it is not a competitive RPG game, there is no role playing, the character are shallow and one dimensional, all you do is kill the opponent.The only games I know of that charge a monthly fee, are actually RPG games, Everquest, Lineage, World of Warcraft with content too make it 'seem' worthwhile.

Wait wait wait...do you even know what the difference between an RPG and FPS is? Actually, I withdraw my question, because I already know you don't.

Role Playing Game - Where you control and act the role (class, statue) of a fantasy/fictional based character. Usually able to customize the gender and characteristic abilities.
First-Person Shooter - Not only is it ONLY first person, but it's also a shooter! OMG WHAT A SHOCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guild Wars is neither fixed in first person or a shooter.

"All you do is kill the opponent"? Wtf? Never did Guild Wars' quests? What do you expect, The Sims integrated to Guild Wars and play homemaker?

And your partially intented logic on monthly fee with RPGs vs FPS is horrible I might add. If you don't like the game, you don't have to like it. But at least please don't look ignorant in the process.

edit: And you're probably going to respond to me by calling me one of those 'fanboiitis'. Ohs no, I'm hurt. ;(

On-topic: I do agree with the points of the OP's letter. But it just doesn't bother me at all because I wouldn't go back there anyways.

hinhtan · May 15, 2006, 01:16 AM // 01:16

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Originally Posted by Swinging Fists

We all should just learn from our mistakes. I pre-ordered Factions, got it the first day it came out, etc... Then we realize the content / map access issues.

I may or may not buy Chapter 3, but one thing is for sure. I will NOT believe what ANet tells me about it. I will not buy Chapter 3 until reading feedback from these forums about it.

ANet, I don't mind you restricting content, whatever you choose to do. I do mind being misled and for that reason alone, you will have to wait and see if you will get my money because I have to wait and see if I can believe what you tell me about the game is true.

Thank you.

Exactly, GW will definetly lose its population when GW3 will be released.
BTW we wont get storage upgrade before Anet will release additonal charactor slot ($10 ea) service......cuz most people wont buy the feature.
It seem like storage and trading might be fixed in GW3 ....

Minus Sign · May 15, 2006, 01:20 AM // 01:20

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Originally Posted by lunchbreak

I agree that ArenaNet ought not to have misled us. Completely and utterly. Yet, I feel that there is not a single thing we can do that will get it changed. Not once has a multinational corporation listened to the public's discontent and made a fundamental change to their product without involving the law.

Two words to anyone who believes that consumer response has no effect on products and so thier voices will not be heard on this issue so why bother even sayng anything:

New Coke.

When people's tastebuds made them run away from Coca-cola and they started buying Pepsi, Classic Coke made its debue. This was expensive for Coke to do, but it was a price they'd forced on themselves by changing the flavor of their product in the interests of mark-up and ignoring public tastes.

There is a point where customer feedback reaches a level no coorporation can ignore. that point is when people start looking for other places to buy their goods/services.

There are lot of things i don't like about this second installment. being misled about 100% content is just one of them. Most of my characters are back in Tyria now except for a few getting armor. When GW 3 comes out, its doubtful that any repair job Anet makes to the game will renew my faith enough to buy another instalment. By then, I will be too bored with the old to continue playing it. Guild Wars is a 1 hit wonder for me; a series with great potential that lost too much in the translation to make it worth spending more money on.

Does that mean I'm going to stop playing games like this? No. It means another coorperation is going to get my money. I don't know about you Anet, but I'm looking for my e-Pepsi.

EDIT: Yes; I'd love to get my characters running both Newbie Questsets so i don't have to grind for plat to buy skills in Factions or Mindlessly repeat the same quests every time I make a Tyrian. But Anet has already shown that if powerleveling was their concern, they could have cut it off at the knees. Simply put: how many folks here have done all four 15 atty point quests with one character?

Theres no reason for Co-op missions to be shot down; none at all.

RobotMULE · May 15, 2006, 01:38 AM // 01:38

Honestly, I dont see what the big deal is..

With the accounts linked, all 6 characters can access almost all of Tyria and almost all of Cantha.

The reason some parts are not available to characters from the other continent has nothing to do with ANet trying to rip you off or cut costs. Its just the design they though works best.

Sure it would be nice to have access to everything, but maybe they felt people would complain that their high level Canthan character has to do boring low level mission in order to feel that they accomplished everything. Or maybe (as someone said) they dont want low level areas flooded with high level characters, because then new players would find it too easy, and they wouldnt have as much fun... Or maybe there's some other reason I cant think of.

Still, 50% * 8 = 400%
and, 90% * 6 = 540%

Ken Dei · May 15, 2006, 02:10 AM // 02:10

I used to be an AVID fan, a "fanboy" of GW. But being lied to and then ignored. I'm relagating myself to a "wait-and-see" status on GW: III

Hopefully Factions will be deigned the "red-headed stepchild" of the series that never should have seen the shelf of a store. I hope A.net gets the message this time around, because if they screw up Chap. III, I won't waste my money.

Navaros · May 15, 2006, 02:17 AM // 02:17

Great original post.

Anet definitely falsely advertised "100% content access" with Factions.

Anet also falsely advertised the "Divine Aura" for the original Guild Wars CE.

I guess since they got away with falseley advertising the Divine Aura, they figured it would be no big deal to false advertise with other stuff, like 100% content access with Factions.

Mandy Memory · May 15, 2006, 03:02 AM // 03:02

I must say to all the people who are saying they will "wait and see" on ch3.

A. I highly doubt 90% of you will follow through, you will either quit and not wait, or get it the day it comes out. I know I will be getting it the day it comes out even if the only reason is because it is made by Anet. They have never let me down with bad content before.

B. Just because 2/200 places information was misrepresented (Thom is right on the info reading "High-level" or "High-end" or "Post Ascension" on most sources) you are not getting ch3? Why? I can see that being logical if you didnt like either of the games, but if you dont like them...why are you here?

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Originally Posted by Navaros

Anet also falsely afvertised the "Diving Aura" for the original Guild Wars CE.

I would like to see your source on this one...because I have seen everything they said it would be.

Athis Strider · May 15, 2006, 03:03 AM // 03:03

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Originally Posted by Navaros

Great original post.

Anet definitely falsely advertised "100% content access" with Factions.

Anet also falsely advertised the "Divine Aura" for the original Guild Wars CE.

I guess since they got away with falseley advertising the Divine Aura, they figured it would be no big deal to false advertise with other stuff, like 100% content access with Factions.

Agreed. If you take the time to break down the way it was advertised you will find the original post is correct.

What you have to take into consideration is the game costs around 50 bucks. False advertising or not, I'm pretty sure you got your money out of it. When compared to the cost of any other game ( no monthly) GW will let you enjoy the game much longer than others for your money.

I can see your point. But consider the bang for your buck per say, after all you paid the equivalent of playing for 3 months of a pay per month game,....... I'm sure you got more than 3 months out of GW.

Not a bad deal.

salaboB · May 15, 2006, 03:07 AM // 03:07

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Originally Posted by Athis Strider

I can see your point. But consider the bang for your buck per say, after all you paid the equivalent of playing for 3 months of a pay per month game,....... I'm sure you got more than 3 months out of GW.

If you bought a non-hybrid car advertised as getting 90 miles per gallon (And a comparable price with other cars of the same year), but it only got 60 miles per gallon would that be okay? After all, it's still better than all the other cars that aren't hybrid out there even if it doesn't live up to what was promised. You'd have definately gotten your money's worth out of it.

generik · May 15, 2006, 04:17 AM // 04:17

At the end of the day it boils down to honesty, and our dealings with Anet has revealed them to be far from honest. Nope. Not in the slightest.

Navaros · May 15, 2006, 04:26 AM // 04:26

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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory

I would like to see your source on this one...because I have seen everything they said it would be.

No problem.

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Originally Posted by False Advertising on the back of Guild Wars CE box

Each character you create manifests the gods' favor with a glowing aura, visible to all.

=HT=Ingram · May 15, 2006, 04:26 AM // 04:26

Well seeing as I had no problem running all the way to the far eastern frontier with my Assassin. I still feel the map is rather open to everyone. But in reality its the Beginner nothing missions that are not open to opposing nationalities. Just clarifying that... Sure you can not enter mission but you can co to every town and map bip in the game, with exception of Tyian getting into the 3 bips in monastery and Local Square. But still I have no complaints. in all reality I doubt I would be wasting my time in many of those places with a lev 20 anyway. I barely did with my tyian character except for titan quests, and that privilege is still accessible 100%.

Siren · May 15, 2006, 08:45 AM // 08:45

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Originally Posted by Advocate

However, I am a nice person. I recognize your position as the kid on the block of online games and do not wish to cripple your business with such a devastating lawsuit.

I'm pretty positive a lawsuit on the grounds of..."I'm suing ArenaNet, the developers of Guild Wars, because my Canthan character is unable to access beginner missions in Tyria, even when ArenaNet press releases implied the opposite" would have most lawyers laughing their asses off at you. I'd imagine that most lawyers would wonder if you were making fun of them.

I know I'd be making fun of you if I saw this kind of lawsuit in the news. I mean...even just considering a lawsuit is so incredibly lame and geeky that it'll hurt you worse than ArenaNet. Consider what would happen:

You bring this lawsuit.

It goes before a judge.

If the media gets wind of it, it'll get broadcast all over the place.

The judge looks at the case and throws it out because it's a complete waste of time, and probably mentions how tragically pathetic the entire reasoning behind the lawsuit is, and how infantile, juvenile, and painfully naive the entire thing is.

ArenaNet/NCSoft don't hurt from a "devastating lawsuit," because the lawsuit would be neither devastating nor a lawsuit.

And for shits and giggles, let's just take a step back and look at your entire point, shall we?

You're arguing that you've been done a disservice because a level 20 Canthan Assassin can't scout the area of Charr in Northern Wall.

Those missions are minimally interesting and exciting on the first time through. After that, most players can breeze through them. In fact, I'd wager that most minimally experienced players can do those missions completely drunk and high. Those missions are that mindless and simplistic.

But yet you believe your Asassin or Rit is missing out by not being able to do them? What possible reasoning could there be? Three measly skill points? A total of 6k xp for doing three missions?

Come on, dude. Use some common sense here. Those three Ascalon missions shouldn't even count as game percentage in the first place. That's how easy and mindless they are.

Hell, compare the respective Pre-Sears of Tyria and Cantha.

In Tyria, the "newbie" area is Pre-Searing Ascalon, which basically has no challenge at all (you can't even amass DP).

In Cantha, the "newbie" area is Shing Jea Island, and it's pretty frigging deadly. You can easily hit 30% DP in a matter of minutes.

Those are nowhere near the same kinds of Pre-Searing. In fact, I think now that we've experienced Shing Jea Island, we can actually expand what the Pre-Sear Tyria portion is. After all, from a difficulty, challenge, and "WHAT THE HELL" standpoint, Shing Jea has much more in common with Post-Sear Ascalon than it does with Pre-Sear Ascalon.

Re-definitions are in order:

The Pre-Searing of Factions is Shing Jea Island.

The Pre-Searing of Prophecies is Post-Searing Ascalon.

And if you still don't believe me, answer me this: which area in Tyria better prepares the player for actual combat/gameplay? Pre-Searing Ascalon or Post-Searing? The answer is a very clear Post-Searing Ascalon.

Both nationalities have already had their Pre-Searings. Neither one of them needs to do it again on a different continent.

{integral} · May 15, 2006, 09:41 AM // 09:41

It's not really the fact that I can't access the missions in Ascalon/Shing Jea that I'm angry about - it's more that we were expressly told we [I]would be able to[I/] access them and we now find out we can't. I know it's clichéd, but it's the principle of the matter. They led us to believe we would, whether they intended to or not, this is the effect they had, and are now refusing to acknowledge we ever believed "100%" meant "everything from both games". Which, in my mind, it still should.

Advocate · May 15, 2006, 11:35 AM // 11:35

Well met,

Just an update to let you all know how things are going, I am still waiting for an official response /yawn. I would like to thank all of you across the boards who have supported my complaint, I have enjoyed the banter between the pro's and con's of the situations. I would mainly like to thank all those a gwonline for their resounding community support. Not only did they find my complaint funny, they openly tore it to pieces with the thread finally being closed not 24hrs in. Now it drifts in to the void of forgotten posts never to be seen again. I notice Gaile has posted this morning on gwonline but no response to my thread would be forthcoming because a) its on like page three b) its now closed so she cannot respond.

Despite what they may have thought they were doing, this has actually strengthened my argument against ArenaNet. But how I hear you ask? Well as a company ArenaNet is obliged to provide adequate complaints procedures for unhappy customers to follow. They do not, instead I followed their advice and posted my information across the fan forums. In doing so I have undergone undue stress from the ridicule and humiliation I have suffered from my peers on account of my complaint not being confidential between company and client. Further to this the fact that the forum in question has closed the thread guaranteeing its lose in mass of the information there the randomness of hoping a dev team member will read it has just become hysterically unacceptable.

If no body has any objections I wish to bump this thread once daily (unless constant posts keep it on the front page) or request that it be made sticky until ArenaNet take notice. One out of three 'community' sites has failed this community member already.

Just a reminder to all out there. I still love Factions and play daily. Its a great game, I just feel there are some issues that need to be addressed to make it better.

Many thanks.

michaeldt · May 15, 2006, 12:58 PM // 12:58

Advocate, I am highly amused by your post.

Seriously.

The Support site is run by NCSoft. Not arenanet, so your method af addressing an issue with ArenaNet is completely wrong.

If you wish to complain to ArenaNet in a legal manner, I suggest you write a letter to their head office in WA.

Address details as well as details of who works for Anet can be found here:

www.arena.net

The support site is NOT a legal channel between a customer and company. It is a place where customers can get support for game related issues. If you are unhappy with your purchase of Factions, I suggest writing them a letter and posting it to them.

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Well as a company ArenaNet is obliged to provide adequate complaints procedures for unhappy customers to follow. They do not...

They do. Write them a letter!

edit:more polite

Advocate · May 15, 2006, 02:00 PM // 14:00

Well met,

I am going to send my complaint to their postal address however I am unhappy with international postage charge I will have to pay to do so but I can wholly imagine they would employ a time consuming process like postage to resolve issues (like 99.99% of all other companies). Further to this it clearly does not state on their web site that for situations like this you need to post stuff to them, and again i refer to the support responce of posting it on forums for the dev to read. They are, again, failing to provide adequate information.